Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 16, 2008, 05:39:22 AM
Home Help Search Member Map Calendar Login Register
News: I live in my own little world... but its okay - they know me here.

Sponsored Links


Yesterday at 23:38:50 dogsmum - Night 'Izzy'
Yesterday at 18:28:12 Taf - Hot swirling gases... I could be planet forming...
Yesterday at 18:21:54 Lisa - you always fart
Yesterday at 17:54:47 Taf - Pea soup + Taf = taf
Yesterday at 14:41:12 Taf - Rumbling belly time.... must cook, must eat...
Total Twaddle  |  Idle Chat.  |  Total Chat.  |  Topic: DNA database legal battle 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Go Down Print
Author Topic: DNA database legal battle  (Read 563 times)
Taf
Sir Trumpalot
Twaddling Buddah
********
Wales

Lovability: 55
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 49812


The Old Ones Are Best


Awards Stats
« on: February 27, 2008, 09:22:16 AM »
Two British men are due to appear before Strasbourg's European Court of Human Rights to try to get their DNA removed from the UK national database.

Both were arrested and DNA samples were lawfully taken. But the men were later cleared and have no criminal record.

Their lawyers will say that keeping the information infringes their right to privacy and anti-discrimination laws.

If the case is successful, tens of thousands of similar DNA records would have to be destroyed.

The DNA database, which covers England and Wales, currently contains around 4.5m profiles - routinely taken from criminal suspects after most arrests.

It is already the largest of its kind in the world but is controversial.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7266130.stm

Although I think that if everyone's DNA record was mandatory to fight crime and to identify bodies it would be a great tool, I also feel wary that such information could be misused if it leaked (or was sold) to Insurance companies. So I am stuck on this one.....
« Last Edit: February 27, 2008, 09:24:07 AM by Taf » Logged
Spite
Is a whining, whingeing, git.
Twaddling God
*******
England

Lovability: 56
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 36432


Beam told his personal trainer, it was time to go


Awards Stats

Champion of
    
    
    
    

More>>
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 13:09:07 PM »
  If you're innocent, your DNA samples should be destroyed.  Fight crime?  They have enough trouble fighting sleep. 
Logged
S.O.T!  Radox, NO!  Sandpaper, YES!
            Beef, YES!   Couscous, NO!
            Dusting, NO!  Fisticuffs, YES!
            Smithying, YES!  Knitting, NO!
            Washing Up, NO!  Freezer Diving, hmm, not sure...
Nanaof2
Gossiping Granny
Spicy Member
**
England

Lovability: 10
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 762



Awards Stats

Champion of
  
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 13:39:43 PM »
Torn on this one - I think I'd be happy for my DNA to be kept on a database because I have nothing to hide BUT.....
ONLY if they can promise 100% to keep the information secure from ID thieves - and over the last few months they've proved that they can't by losing several computer files of this kind....
Until they can make the system watertight they should scrap it!
Logged
You're only as old as the man you feel!
Lisa
Salty Goodness
Admin
Resident Twaddler
*******
Wales

Lovability: 476
Online Online

Gender: Female
Posts: 80025



WWW Awards Stats

Champion of
    
    
    
    

More>>
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 14:01:33 PM »
I think they should dump the DNA if you are innocent or not charged.
Basically for the same reasons that Nanaof2 gave.
The system will never be water tight
Logged
If tears could build a stairway, and memories a lane. I'd walk right up to heaven to bring you home again.
Supreme Ruler of Lissyland
Total Twaddle Desktop Image
Pam
FREEBIE & COMP ADDICT.
Talkalot Member
****
England

Lovability: 21
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 6986


Pretty Picture


Awards Stats
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 14:22:18 PM »
I agree with what nana and Lisa say
Logged


The Beam
old, just plain old
Global Mod
Non Stop Talker
******
United States

Lovability: 103
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 24989


Guardian of the Saps


Awards Stats

Champion of
 
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 16:39:11 PM »
I've got nothing to hide- they can have it if they want it.
Logged
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries

Emperor of Beamyland        "Who's to know if your soul will fade at all The one you sold to fool the world" -Seether 
   "Booger, smooger-you don't even have a nose!" -Spongebob Squarepants
S.M.Y.B.      I love NF   thebeam   SSCC  thebeam2 ALL HAIL QUEEN IZZY!!!

I love the 4B's- Boobs, Burgers, Baseball and other Ball games.
Mike
Lancashire Lad
Global Mod
Hot Gossiper
*****
England

Lovability: 250
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 17931



WWW Awards Stats
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 17:13:57 PM »
Quote from: The Beam on February 27, 2008, 16:39:11 PM
I've got nothing to hide- they can have it if they want it.

Only trouble with that is I wouldn't trust the authorities to keep it safe over here
Logged




The Beam
old, just plain old
Global Mod
Non Stop Talker
******
United States

Lovability: 103
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 24989


Guardian of the Saps


Awards Stats

Champion of
 
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 17:17:20 PM »
Understood. 

Question for you then- are you comfortable with them keeping copies of your fingerprints on record??
Logged
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries

Emperor of Beamyland        "Who's to know if your soul will fade at all The one you sold to fool the world" -Seether 
   "Booger, smooger-you don't even have a nose!" -Spongebob Squarepants
S.M.Y.B.      I love NF   thebeam   SSCC  thebeam2 ALL HAIL QUEEN IZZY!!!

I love the 4B's- Boobs, Burgers, Baseball and other Ball games.
Mike
Lancashire Lad
Global Mod
Hot Gossiper
*****
England

Lovability: 250
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 17931



WWW Awards Stats
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 17:18:48 PM »
Don't trust them with any data
Logged




The Beam
old, just plain old
Global Mod
Non Stop Talker
******
United States

Lovability: 103
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 24989


Guardian of the Saps


Awards Stats

Champion of
 
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 17:22:17 PM »
Fair enough.

I know that I don't have any DNA on record anywhere- but my fingerprints are on file with the FBI because I used to work for a bank.

Doesn't bother me either way.
Logged
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries

Emperor of Beamyland        "Who's to know if your soul will fade at all The one you sold to fool the world" -Seether 
   "Booger, smooger-you don't even have a nose!" -Spongebob Squarepants
S.M.Y.B.      I love NF   thebeam   SSCC  thebeam2 ALL HAIL QUEEN IZZY!!!

I love the 4B's- Boobs, Burgers, Baseball and other Ball games.
Lisa
Salty Goodness
Admin
Resident Twaddler
*******
Wales

Lovability: 476
Online Online

Gender: Female
Posts: 80025



WWW Awards Stats

Champion of
    
    
    
    

More>>
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 18:56:28 PM »
There is a bit of difference between fingerprints and DNA though...

They have already lost my details and i have to keep an eye out for fraud (government not police) DNA is far more important.
Logged
If tears could build a stairway, and memories a lane. I'd walk right up to heaven to bring you home again.
Supreme Ruler of Lissyland
Total Twaddle Desktop Image
The Beam
old, just plain old
Global Mod
Non Stop Talker
******
United States

Lovability: 103
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 24989


Guardian of the Saps


Awards Stats

Champion of
 
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 22:21:26 PM »
But how are they going to use DNA for fraud?  Frame you for murder?

Right now I can see how fingerprints- with today's imaging technology-could be used.  But DNA?

think
Logged
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries

Emperor of Beamyland        "Who's to know if your soul will fade at all The one you sold to fool the world" -Seether 
   "Booger, smooger-you don't even have a nose!" -Spongebob Squarepants
S.M.Y.B.      I love NF   thebeam   SSCC  thebeam2 ALL HAIL QUEEN IZZY!!!

I love the 4B's- Boobs, Burgers, Baseball and other Ball games.
Spite
Is a whining, whingeing, git.
Twaddling God
*******
England

Lovability: 56
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 36432


Beam told his personal trainer, it was time to go


Awards Stats

Champion of
    
    
    
    

More>>
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2008, 22:34:37 PM »
Quote from: The Beam on February 27, 2008, 22:21:26 PM
But how are they going to use DNA for fraud?  Frame you for murder?

Right now I can see how fingerprints- with today's imaging technology-could be used.  But DNA?

think

 Come on, todays crims are way ahead of the Cops.  How long before they find a way to use it to subvert justice?
Logged
S.O.T!  Radox, NO!  Sandpaper, YES!
            Beef, YES!   Couscous, NO!
            Dusting, NO!  Fisticuffs, YES!
            Smithying, YES!  Knitting, NO!
            Washing Up, NO!  Freezer Diving, hmm, not sure...
The Beam
old, just plain old
Global Mod
Non Stop Talker
******
United States

Lovability: 103
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 24989


Guardian of the Saps


Awards Stats

Champion of
 
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 22:38:17 PM »
Quote from: Spite on February 27, 2008, 22:34:37 PM
Come on, todays crims are way ahead of the Cops.  How long before they find a way to use it to subvert justice?
Oh I get that.  Just find it hard to think of how they can use DNA wrong. 
Logged
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries

Emperor of Beamyland        "Who's to know if your soul will fade at all The one you sold to fool the world" -Seether 
   "Booger, smooger-you don't even have a nose!" -Spongebob Squarepants
S.M.Y.B.      I love NF   thebeam   SSCC  thebeam2 ALL HAIL QUEEN IZZY!!!

I love the 4B's- Boobs, Burgers, Baseball and other Ball games.
Spite
Is a whining, whingeing, git.
Twaddling God
*******
England

Lovability: 56
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 36432


Beam told his personal trainer, it was time to go


Awards Stats

Champion of
    
    
    
    

More>>
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008, 22:41:39 PM »
Quote from: The Beam on February 27, 2008, 22:38:17 PM
Oh I get that.  Just find it hard to think of how they can use DNA wrong. 

  Didn't know the murder victim?  Wasn't in the vicinityof the murder site?  How long before they can prove you did, and you were?
Logged
S.O.T!  Radox, NO!  Sandpaper, YES!
            Beef, YES!   Couscous, NO!
            Dusting, NO!  Fisticuffs, YES!
            Smithying, YES!  Knitting, NO!
            Washing Up, NO!  Freezer Diving, hmm, not sure...
Pages: [1] 2 Go Up Print 
Total Twaddle  |  Idle Chat.  |  Total Chat.  |  Topic: DNA database legal battle « previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.5 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!


Google visited last this page May 12, 2008, 01:13:26 AM
Mortgage - Car Insurance - Loans - Cheap Flights