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Idle Chat. => Twaddle's Soap Box => Topic started by: Tâf on January 27, 2016, 18:25:23 pm

Title: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 27, 2016, 18:25:23 pm
When ever you claim a state benefit, you have to give them your bank details on the form, sent via the post.

I have been trying to change bank account details for the twins.

Normally this has been done via a posted form.

I asked for forms to be sent out to me.

"We only update by phone as your bank details might get lost in the post".

:(





Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on January 28, 2016, 12:25:07 pm
More hoops...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 28, 2016, 14:11:01 pm
Even more with my pensions due next month. Payable from 27th Feb, paid in arrears from 31st March. But because I get lump sums slightly in excess of £16k I lose Income Support, Housing Benefit and Community Charge Benefit from 27th Feb.

So I have to pay full rent, etc. which will dig into the lump sum quickly plus wipe out my pensions every month. Even before I pay water, gas, leccy and, god forbid, food and clothes.  :(

But if the DWP decide I am spending money to get below the 16K savings threshold, they will not allow me to claim any benefits at all.

Ho hum.....  :'(
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 28, 2016, 14:21:24 pm
I have calculated that I will have to spend £101.17 per week from my savings (and all my Carers Allowance and pensions) just to pay the standard bills, without food.  :o
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on January 28, 2016, 18:20:25 pm
They just sent me an ESA form, which I MUST complete... As they're giving me diddly, I have to wonder what the point is. Maybe it's the NI stamp.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 28, 2016, 18:27:12 pm
With Universal Credit on the horizon, I guess they're figuring out what not to give you. I did an online assessment earlier. A drop of £16.52 with U.C.

All hidden in an invisible barrier as they won't break it down so you can check that you're getting what you're entitled to.

Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on January 28, 2016, 18:45:42 pm
Well, they can't give me less than fukkall... Unless they tax it. ;)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on January 28, 2016, 23:01:09 pm
UC is in place here and it is a nightmare of bloody incompetence. 
We are in same boat after releasing one of his pensions last April.  We paid a bundle of tax on it. When June happened, I was on 88 squid a week at at sick pay for Chris.  But like a fool I was careful with money. Now we are penalised. Can't get diddly squat. 
What narks me most is that Chris has just been awarded ESA on his contributions from the past . Still they want to know about his pension plan. We are waiting still for PIP . We pay for carers cos of the pension. We will pay toward adaptations cos of that pension. We get no help with council tax cos of that pension. 
The ESA form they sent Chris is bloody crazy. Asking if he can put one arm above his head! Yes he can. One arm....not the other though. Why don't they get off their arses  and come and have a look?
And do you know what is really callous? They told me to sign on for jobs eek ers until PIP comes through (can't have income support or claim for me  cos of the pension) . So I asked who would look after Chris? 
Carers they said. He would have 4 visits a day .  But what happens if he has a fit when no one is there? . He can have a home care system with a panic alarm they said.
I give up. They won't be happy till they bring workhouses back.
Set of arse holes
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 29, 2016, 08:44:47 am
I feel for you El. It's a lot of hard work and upset. Wait until you get to the actual PIP/ESA assessment in person.... get as much written info from experts as you can as they will lap it up.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on January 29, 2016, 12:54:23 pm
If you can take someone who knows how to play the system, with you, things often work better.

Jane took a lady from our local Centre For Independent Living. I took the same lady, when I had my ESA assessment and she saved my life. :)

Always good to have a qualified witness... ;)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on January 29, 2016, 13:52:15 pm
Just finished filling in this hateful form. We are lucky in a way that we have detailed discharge notes that can't be argued with.
This new OT is quite good too so will see what they do.  I think it is bloody cruel and nasty.  Yes, there are people taking the pee and getting paid for it. But the stress on ordinary people is sickening  :'(
taxi driver was telling me the other day that his wife had been deemed 'fit' even though she has major fits. They say her epilepsy is controlled and he is no longer her carer. Just like that. He told me how they were behind with bills because of it too.
He told me her assessment was designed to trip her up. He was not allowed in with her either.
Arse wipes  :-X
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on January 29, 2016, 14:07:03 pm
I just got a bit of good news, oddly enough. The Dept. of Work and Naziness sent me one of those huge forms to fill in, for a medical assessment, to see if I'm fit enough for their gas chambers.

I thought "Fook filling this thing in. My hands are my main disability and filling in huge forms is painful. As the tossers pay me diddly-squat, ESA-wise, why bother?". Then, I noticed that they pay my NI stamp. Thought "Bugger".

Then, I wondered if my carer's allowance would cover that... So, I gave them a tinkle, to find out. Spoke to a VERY helpful, chatty young lady, who not only confirmed that, but offered to send me written evidence. :)

Soooo... Shall I be self-righteous and just ignore the bloody form? Or, should I give them a tinkle and tell them to go screw themselves?


Decisions... Decisions... :)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on January 29, 2016, 14:16:25 pm
Oooooh what to do what to do  ;D ;D

Just got the PIP forms through at bloody long last  ;D
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on January 29, 2016, 14:34:19 pm
If the person with a disability had to fill in these forms, they would get nowhere fast. It's like they have been designed to irritate, frustrate and anger claimants into giving up.

They work closely to a script, so you have to know the words they use, and those you should use. Both on paper and in assessments. Deviation and hesitation is not allowed.

This pdf is well worth reading....

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Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on January 29, 2016, 15:05:55 pm
Downloaded and will take time reading xx
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 15, 2016, 13:04:42 pm
I've been trying to contact the DWP for several days now to have our Income Support stopped (pensions and therefore relative poverty start soon).

Out of frustration I visited the local office this morning, but was told I needed to make an appointment "sometime next week". And I have to phone to make the appointment!!
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 15, 2016, 13:30:50 pm
Funny, that. I had a bit of a result, yesterday. Only a small one, but, hey...

They sent me one of those bible-sized forms to fill in, for ESA.

As they're not paying me anything, I gave them a ring and asked "What's the bloody point? As my hands are my main disability, filling the form in is painful.".

He's sending me a letter, to confirm this. If I just ignore the form, they'll send me for another one of those stupid assessments and I might even requalify for it.

I won't hold my breath, obviously...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 15, 2016, 15:15:49 pm
Stranger things have happened K@. I read of a guy who walked into the assessment, and was thus marked as able-bodied. He complained and so they checked CCTV and found that he had taken over an hour to get from the main door to the assessment room. A situation his GP and specialist had plainly written on letters to ATOS.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 15, 2016, 19:31:29 pm
When they deemed me fit, last time, I'd had the sense to take an advocate, from the Trafford CIL (A local disability help centre), with me. When the verdict came through, she 'phoned me and said "That's ridiculous. That's certainly not the meeting I was at! Appeal and refer them to me". That, I did. A few days later, the boss at the DWP rang me and asked me why I thought I'd been misrepresented. For one of many examples, I told her that I'd told the ATOS cow that I mowed the lawn, occasionally, but had to put a pair of Mole grips on the safety thing that you have to hold down, with your hand. On the report, she'd just said "He mows the lawn". Funny thing is, at the time, the ratshit had said "Isn't that dangerous?", to which I'd replied "Well, how else could I do it?" and she shrugged. She'd missed that out, on the report, along with the fact that I'd told her that I couldn't used my hands for the next couple of days, too, which I told the DWP woman that rang.

She must've called the CIL woman, before she rang me, coz she upheld the appeal on the spot!

Odd thing is, the ESA only lasted for a year. Since then, I've managed to wangle a bit of carer's allowance. Apart from that, my contribution to the (Extremely tight) household finances has been diddly squat. I s'pose they had to get the funds to cut corporation tax, for their pals, eh?
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 15, 2016, 19:57:19 pm
We're facing financial problems as things get a lot worse when you lose income support.

They tell you "you need £x to live on, but you get Carers allowance, so we'll only give you the difference".

Fair enough, but if like me you start receiving a pension (or a wage) slightly greater than the sum they pay you in income support, even by a quid, they withdraw all income support.

And that's when you realise the sting. Loss of income support means you now have to pay for dentists and opticians, and you have to start paying full, or almost full, rent and poll tax. That is going to cost us just over half our income, leaving us with a lot less than the amount they say "you need to live on".

And it gets worse, when Universal Credit starts, most families will lose around £50 a week as "an incentive to find work". What if you can't work because you're a Carer?
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 15, 2016, 20:14:56 pm
What if you can't work because of your injuries?

In five words: They don't give a shit.

Unless you can work, to make THEM money, you're worthless, just a drain on their resources.

I think I could still use a sub-machine gun, though, if there's one lying around... ;)

I wouldn't waste it on foxes, either.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: fred on February 15, 2016, 20:34:10 pm
ATOS

sorry for swearing
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 15, 2016, 20:48:14 pm
At least they got chucked out. :)

Bloody French.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 15, 2016, 23:08:41 pm
Universal credit is alive and hurting people here.
We can't get income support because of a few pensions and savings so they are bleeding us dry drip by drip. And no, they do not give a shit.  Also owning your own house is penalised badly. They do not want to know about your mortgage . ill at home ? You pay for your care . Too ill to be at home? You pay for residential care  :'(. Soon they will build new centres I bet, calling them The Workhouse.
I honestly believe that this is the reason that pensions are draw able early. So they can get people off income support......and never let them back on it.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 16, 2016, 09:55:16 am
I have an appointment! I called spot-on 8 this morning and only ad to listen to the "infobabble" for 6 minutes before getting through to a human. 2pm today, "bring all relevant paperwork". Gawd, they want proof of savings, income, pensions and lump sums before letting me cease income support for ever more!
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 16, 2016, 12:39:38 pm
OMFG, Taf!!

My sig seems apt, El.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 16, 2016, 18:43:18 pm
What a palaver! Security guards at the DWP checking everyone due to problems between 2 ethnic groups that has spilled over into the building.

Then their scanner broke, then it was replaced but it would not talk to their computers. A swift reboot of the entire network solved that.

Got out of there and the buses didn't appear... told to divert due to the ethnic problems.

3km walk and into the council offices, queues out the door. Me and the other white person were ushered in as we didn't need translation services. The dimmock who took my papers didn't have a clue....

Now I just have to wait to see how much this is going to hurt financially. I have already been warned that "spending savings to accrue benefits" will be strictly monitored, with sanctions available. I can't even prepay my funeral costs according to their blurb!
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 16, 2016, 20:00:35 pm
Nope. Set of arsewipes  ::) we were told ages ago that we could use savings for modifying the house for Chris's benefit or for his mobility needs. Since been told not. But I am putting in for the fact that he has had to have a whole new wardrobe of extra large clothes in order to dress him . Loads of new bedding to deal with incontinence needs.
It makes me sick. 
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 17, 2016, 12:01:51 pm
Keep receipts. Keep statements. Note down reasons for expenditure, even groceries. I've been through it all before, and I know how pedantic they can be. Any expense over £100 is best done after getting written permission (don't accept anything that is just allowed by word of mouth).

And just hope you are seen by one of the team that isn't hung-over, bored or feeling a bit cranky.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 17, 2016, 12:37:03 pm
Just re looking at the form and payment is 300 A WEEK!  Says if we do not fill in, we will be charged the maximum costs . (So much for being verbally told that we would pay  300 in total). Luckily,  have bought online and it shows on the bank statement.
They can please themselves after this. I am not having any snotty nosed arsewipes telling us whether what we buy is necessary.  They even want to know the value of the house. On the end where it says "have you enclosed this that n the other, it actually says "have you enclosed a copy of your will :-X
they can stick their care where the sun don't shine  :'(
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 17, 2016, 13:15:13 pm
I was asked yesterday if we had had a Carers Assessment. I said no, and the reply was, "Well it's not much use anyway since the cuts...."
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 17, 2016, 15:04:17 pm
Got a bit of good news. ESA have decided that he does not need to apply for work 😃.
Common sense really but the first bit of good news we have had. And also they are the only ones in all this to realise how affected Chris is.
Now, if only PIP  would get their act together  😈.
I feel like celebrating by buying something ridiculous like food or....I know! I'll put the heating on  ;D
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 17, 2016, 16:46:35 pm
PIP should be backdated to the day they received the claim, CA also, so have the CA forms on standby. Both are not means-tested.

ESA (Support Group) is often a shoe-in for PIP, but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 17, 2016, 19:10:39 pm
Jane's sure was. :)

Good luck, Ellie!
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 17, 2016, 20:48:28 pm
Thank you very glad  ;D
just been printing copies of everything and the @#$/ing printer keeps jamming  :-X . We're lucky in that we have hospital discharge notes naming all medical conditions and their effect. First claimed pip in Nov but they have screwed up none stop till MP got involved but it meant a fresh claim from January.  Still. When that finally comes through (part 2 ) how your condition affects you, we will be a step nearer.
Just said to Chris ....gawd knows how you would go on with no pc knowledge and no printer  ::)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 17, 2016, 21:00:25 pm
A potential sting in the tail awaits his 65th birthday. The change from DLA/PIP to Attendance Allowance. He could get more, he could get less....   :(

http://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/financial-support/help-with-benefits/disability-living-allowance

http://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/financial-support/help-with-benefits/attendance-allowance

http://www.carersuk.org/ is a site worth reading and bookmarking!!!!
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 17, 2016, 21:22:56 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 18, 2016, 10:20:49 am
Oh, and don't forget CA is taxable. They get you every time don't they? I don't know, as yet, how to get the tax deducted.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 18, 2016, 11:17:41 am
What chance does any of us stand, with this sort of stupidity going on?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/teenage-quadruple-amputee-told-to-prove-he-is-disabled-to-keep-benefits-a6880526.html
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 18, 2016, 11:46:11 am
They work to a strict script. NO flexibility allowed. Black or white, no greys allowed.  :-\

DWP Wrexham just called: they cannot accept the FORECAST pension paperwork, I have only a few days to get the FINAL paperwork with dates and amounts on it to them.

I was about to start calling the RAF and Virgin pension bods when the phone went again. It was the local DWP bod I gave the papers to. He has been trying to contact the RAF and Virgin pension bods since 9 this morning. No answer to any call or email. He will continue to try to make contact and get the correct paperwork sent out ASAP.

Ho hum...

And then the phone went again. This time it was the council beancounters with the same complaint......  :(
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2016, 11:39:58 am
   Reading all of this, I don't know why the DWP just doesn't come right out and use their true logo.  The double lightning bolt of the SS.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 19, 2016, 11:59:23 am
Ha! I've been pointing-out, to all and sundry, how similar Britain is, now, to how Germany was just when the Nazis came to power.

The Nazis were right-wing, after all.

The bastards even want to frack under this...

http://www.visitcheshire.com/things-to-do/dunham-massey-hall-park-nt-p28651

God help us, if we leave the EU... (I never thought I'd ever say that).
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2016, 12:02:47 pm
Quote from: K@ on February 19, 2016, 11:59:23 am
God help us, if we leave the EU... (I never thought I'd ever say that).


   I'm not a fan of Europe.  It's particularly undemocratic.  But, it has given some fine laws and rights.  I think the tories would turn us into the sweat-shop of the northern hemisphere.  There would be no minimum wage, and we would be a colder, damper version of the poorer areas of the US.  I still would like a say as to whether we should be a part of Europe, however.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 19, 2016, 12:15:08 pm
They want the poor and disabled to go. Death, preferably. Then, they can let in all the immigrants to work for free.

If we eave, there'll be no European court of human rights, for a start. They want a one-party state, where their leader become a dictator. Fuck, I would never have believed how much the Libs held them in check, during the coalition... Clegg sold out and that finished them. Pity... If he hadn't done that, for his moment of power, they might've won the last election.

Whether that would've been a good thing, I can only ponder upon.

What we have, now, is gonna cause rioting and even a civil war, if it goes unchecked.

No, I've never been a fan of the EU, either. But, that seems like the better of two bad deals. That, or Tory supreme power...

Shit...

UKIP are even further right than the damned Tories...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2016, 12:19:05 pm
   What a pity Corbyn is so unelectable owing to his pacifist views.  He seems a nice man, and could have kept his views private.  After all, when it comes to threats of war, much of politics is bluff, and the damned fool has put his cards on the table for all to see.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 19, 2016, 12:31:36 pm
Having met and nattered with the guy, I really like him. I happen to agree with him, on Trident. How is it a deterrent, when everyone knows we'll never use it? Why spend all that dosh and use all those resources, for something we'll never use?

His views on pacifism have been selectively misrepresented. His views are like mine. Try everything, first. Only when all else has failed should we resort to armed conflict. That crap on Bombing Syria... OK, we've bombed them. What affect has it had? A good one?

His main problem is the media. They're constantly twisting what he says and we all know why.

As I said, I've met him and talked with him.

He'll get my vote. No question.

An honest party leader? Whatever next?

Personally (I may be naive), what I look for, above all else, with anybody, is honesty. Even if I don't agree with them, I'd prefer them to be honest.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 19, 2016, 12:38:03 pm
Quote from: K@ on February 19, 2016, 12:31:36 pm
Personally (I may be naive), what I look for, above all else, with anybody, is honesty. Even if I don't agree with them, I'd prefer them to be honest.


   Good luck with that.

   What surprises me is the vitriol he's received from his own party and party supporters.  The man is a socialist, leading a socialist party.  What's wrong with them?
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 19, 2016, 12:41:07 pm
Final figures have arrived from Virginmedia, I'll drop them off at the DWP and Council later today. No getting through about my RAF pension though. The DWP bloke called at teatime yesterday to say he didn't get through either. He also said they have rejected my Home Office pension paperwork too, as there are no payment dates or amounts....
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 19, 2016, 12:41:55 pm
Quote from: Ian on February 19, 2016, 12:38:03 pm
Quote from: K@ on February 19, 2016, 12:31:36 pm
Personally (I may be naive), what I look for, above all else, with anybody, is honesty. Even if I don't agree with them, I'd prefer them to be honest.


   Good luck with that.

   What surprises me is the vitriol he's received from his own party and party supporters.  The man is a socialist, leading a socialist party.  What's wrong with them?


He's a champagne socialist leading a party that USED to be socialist.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 19, 2016, 12:45:59 pm
Good luck, Taf!

Quote from: Ian on February 19, 2016, 12:38:03 pmWhat's wrong with them?


They want power, for the sake of having power. They're mostly Blairite Tory-Lites.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 19, 2016, 16:55:32 pm
I've done some research...

The Tories have... doubled the national debt to over £1.5 trillion
increased the NHS deficit to £2 billion
ensured the richest 1% own as much as the 55% poorest
increased house prices and rents for landlords' benefit
subsidised rich landowners with £3.5 billion every year
enabled nursing and other private agencies to make a fortune
cancelled the bank levy
cut corporation tax cut to 45%
condoned tax evasion by multinational corporations
tolerated tax havens
encouraged the lobbying industry
sold arms to nations which violate human rights
increased VAT
abolished protection for workers from accidents
neglected house building as well as flood defences with the loss of homes and businesses
failed to support the steel industry
left 18 million people without adequate housing
5.5 million people earning less than they need
2.5 million children living in damp properties
1.5 million children with insufficient food
1.85 million people unemployed (3/4 million young people 16-24)
1.7 million OAPs living below the breadline
12 million people so poor they have no social life
abolished students' grants and trebled their fees
cut social services for old and infirm people
increased the cost of nursery places by 33% per cent
reduced the number of child care and Sure Start centres
cancelled legal aid
deceived the public about tax credit cuts
alienated Moslems
deprived workers of their rights
forced doctors and nurses to go on strike
been two-faced about reducing pollution
failed to condemn the Saudi government for unjust executions
wasted money on prestige projects like Trident and bombing Syria
reduced allowances to opposition parties
virtually silenced the House of Lords
provoked a UN investigation into disabled people's suicide

Nazis.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 21, 2016, 11:08:50 am
Seems the biggest Tory butchers want out. That's me voting to stay in, then. :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-vote-leave-michael-gove-iain-dunacn-smith-chris-grayling-john-whittingdale-theresa-a6886181.html

Osborne's been quiet, coz he's in rehab, again, apparently.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on February 21, 2016, 16:19:51 pm
ids wants out coz the european court of human rights wants him.
stay in, if only to see him swing (not that he will)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 21, 2016, 16:25:21 pm
The UN wants him and the rest too....
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 21, 2016, 18:30:29 pm
This is why I respect Corbyn, Trust him, too,

http://labourlist.org/2016/02/labour-is-standing-up-not-standing-by-full-text-of-jeremy-corbyns-speech-to-welsh-labour-conference/
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 22, 2016, 18:12:56 pm
If any more proof is needed, about them being Nazis...

https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com

In the ThinkTank's own words...

http://www.reform.uk/publication/working-welfare-a-radically-new-approach-to-sickness-and-disability-benefits
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on February 22, 2016, 19:09:07 pm
Quote from: K@ on February 22, 2016, 18:12:56 pm
If any more proof is needed, about them being Nazis...

https://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com


Quotehe's possibly talking a load of old shite
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 22, 2016, 19:12:52 pm
That thinktank's site says it all, though.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 23, 2016, 16:12:46 pm
  With regards to Europe, I'm undecided.  So, I thought I'd look at the quality of men that wanted out.  I saw IDS, and thought, 'Sod it, I want to stay in'.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Mike on February 23, 2016, 17:02:04 pm
But look who wants us to stay in, Blair and Milliband
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 24, 2016, 16:06:54 pm
Quote from: Mike on February 23, 2016, 17:02:04 pm
But look who wants us to stay in, Blair and Milliband


   You've got a point.  Although, I expect it's because they want to do a Kinnock, and live the life of Riley on the EU gravy train.  I'm surprised that Bozza has opted out.  I like his arguments.  He's an extremely erudite man, well thought of by his constituents, and not the buffoon he plays in the media by any stretch of the imagination.  He's a little too tied to the landed gentry and rich businessman sector for my liking, though.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 24, 2016, 17:25:26 pm
The Tories, by cutting funding to all opposition parties, &c. are trying to create a one-party state.

Just like the Nazis did. Just as North Korea did.

The Tories are controlling the press, not allowing anything to be printed that goes against the Tories.

Just like the Nazis did. Just as North Korea does.

The Tories are trying to kill-off the disabled. Just as the Nazis did.

The Tories are forcing people to accept their decisions (Fracking &c.), overriding what the population actually want.

Just like the Nazis did. Just as North Korea does.

They've voted to cut ESA by 30%, just after they've awarded themselves a third pay rise, of something like £1500.

Apparently, people on Twitter, et al, are trying to arrange riots and, even, a general strike.

I can't say I blame them. I'd probably join them, if I was fit enough, too.

This is gonna turn into a war and it could get bloody.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on February 24, 2016, 18:23:43 pm
   Can't see it happening, to be honest.  People are far too shallow and phone-obsessed to do that.  It's one thing them shouting their mouths off via Twitter and Facebook, quite another to actually do anything.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 25, 2016, 10:51:06 am
I wonder about that, too. It's the older ones that seem to be chomping at the bit.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 25, 2016, 16:07:28 pm
As I said, just like the Nazis and North Korea.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/25/government-rigging-system-boundary-review-funding-lords_n_9315014.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 25, 2016, 19:09:08 pm
It's not been reported, on the news... Did you know that the NHS has sold your medical records to private insurance companies?

I wonder why... (Not)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on February 25, 2016, 20:01:03 pm
I think my mobile no has been sold all over. 3 hospitals had my mobile . And I am being mithered something awful with ppi and have I had an accident or more sinister have I had a medical blunder.
I never give my number out except to hospital for getting in touch,  friends and family. I do not enter comps or freebies and even leave blank and put in my landline for official forms.
only hospital had it  :-X
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on February 25, 2016, 20:59:53 pm
The Tory mantra. "Profit above everything".

They really do want to bring back the Victorian era. Britain was great, after all.

Workhouses, debtor's prisons, the lot.

TTIP will secure that dream, for them, too.

Many believe, now, that only violence will stop them.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 04, 2016, 20:29:38 pm
Today, my GP let it be known that, around the practice, IDS stands for Idiotic Dickhead Syndrome...

:)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on March 12, 2016, 13:22:08 pm
As well as paying for equipment and aids, Disabled Living Allowance and Personal Independence Payments are there to provide a minimal income for those that cannot work due to their disabilities. Iain Duncan Smith and his cronies seem determined to reduce the income of all non-working adults to the same low level, i.e. that of Jobseekers Allowance. It has been reported that they are determined to move all disabled people on Employment Support Allowance (Work-related activity group) to just Jobseekers Allowance, ignoring the extra costs they endure in being actively seeking employment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3488644/Now-disability-benefits-bill-slashed-1-2billion-Affected-people-include-640-000-need-help-getting-dressed.html
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on March 12, 2016, 20:05:24 pm
QuoteIn a bold move aimed at tackling worklessness and disability, the Einsatzgruppen are to take over from job centre staff at the Department of Work & Pensions. They will also run spot checks on the disabled.

'This new approach to benefits claimants has great potential,' said DWP Minister Iain Duncan Death. 'When I first said that anyone not applying for 500 jobs a week, wasn't trying and deserved to die, some people were shocked - but look at the results: the claimant count is the lowest it has ever been.'

Successful pilot schemes have shown that deployment of Einsatzgruppen reduces the numbers of claimants to zero and deters most potential claimants from trying it on in the first place. 'Of course you still get a few insisting they've paid National Insurance for years and bleating on about entitlement, but we can soon liquidate those naive fools. The fact is, death works,' he beamed.


http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2016/03/12/einsatzgruppen-to-run-uk-job-centres/
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 12, 2016, 22:29:53 pm
Not far from the Tory truth, that...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on March 15, 2016, 11:53:32 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aW6oOMK_460s_v1.jpg)

I.D.S. has arrived......
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 15, 2016, 22:35:27 pm
:yes:
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 18, 2016, 22:11:40 pm
The hypocritical arse has fallen on his sword! :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/iain-duncan-smith-resigns_uk_56ec6ba0e4b030d552ef592d?utm_hp_ref=uk
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on March 18, 2016, 22:59:08 pm
 :D
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2016, 23:45:48 pm
   It's almost as if IDS has grown a conscience.  Almost.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 19, 2016, 10:36:56 am
He's after the top job. Heaven help us...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on March 19, 2016, 10:44:52 am
It was announced live by the (disabled centric) Last Leg programme last evening. I punched the air and whooped.  :D

Then 2 seconds later realised it could all be a coup for the PM position that is coming up.....  >:(

And loads of their party were trying to get the PIP cuts stopped.... so he would not have been in a very tenable position anyway...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 19, 2016, 10:52:09 am
The Universal Credit thing's gonna be a mess, too.

If Prissy gets the job, she's worse than IDS...  :o
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on March 19, 2016, 13:10:09 pm
I'm loving all the memes
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on March 19, 2016, 14:19:16 pm
UC was his pipedream of reducing admin costs and making payments easier to change with any change of circumstances. Alas his dream was soon shattered by cuts, cuts and cuts. PIP too, was supposed make things easier, but then along came ATOS and far too many people were found to be actually disabled, with court cases running up huge bills.

But he is total twat anyway.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Ian on March 19, 2016, 18:07:32 pm
Quote from: K@ on March 19, 2016, 10:36:56 am
He's after the top job. Heaven help us...


   He's already led the Tories.  Didn't do them or him much good.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 19, 2016, 18:15:18 pm
Yeah, I remember... Only too well...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on March 24, 2016, 18:53:52 pm
So... Gideon wants to cut the deficit...

Pity they Tories have caused it, innit?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on April 09, 2016, 11:28:52 am
Did you know that Sam Scameron pays some trog fifty grand to look after her "Style"?

All in it together, then...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on April 09, 2016, 12:55:44 pm
Quote from: K@ on April 09, 2016, 11:28:52 am
Did you know that Sam Scameron pays some trog fifty grand to look after her "Style"?

All in it together, then...


The British Taxpayer foots the bill.

I called the DWP yesterday and asked why I am still receiving Income Support.

"There's a backlog, so don't spend the money as we will have to recover it".

So I told the Council, who cannot stop my Housing Benefit and Community Charge Benefit until told to do so by the DWP.

The answer was almost exactly the same.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on April 09, 2016, 17:20:26 pm
Eejits.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on April 10, 2016, 12:12:01 pm
feckin eejits, is more correct
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on April 10, 2016, 12:21:49 pm
:yes:

Just proves that we never get to see the truth, just what stylists and the like come up with. Although it has ever been thus, up to a point, it all really started with Thatcher. Then, of course, Blair took it to the extreme.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on August 12, 2016, 21:01:24 pm
I religiously report any "change in circumstance" that happens (as required by law for any benefit). Change of address, change of income or savings, etc.

So I was slightly annoyed today after I was told our housing benefits have been overpaid and they will claw back the excess at £11 per week.

Because they say my missus started receiving Carers Allowance. ???

I told them that my missus has been receiving that benefit for over 20 years, and as it had not stopped there was no "change of circumstance" to report.

A quick check of their records... "OOPS!"

A call to an invigilator.

"As it was an administrative error on our part, we cannot reclaim the overpayment".

"No problem" I replied, "I don't want to receive benefits I am not entitled to. Please send me the bill and I will pay it immediately".

"Ummmmm... we can't do that.... it's illegal...."

DOH!!!

Then I asked about the Poll Tax bill Direct Debit that should have been taken on 1st July, then recalculated to be paid on 1st August. Still no money taken.

"The old system was that Poll tax was paid monthly by Direct Debit, and rent weekly by Standing Order. In preparation for Universal Credit both now are to be paid weekly by one combined Standing Order. The 3 'No Payment Weeks" of rent no longer exist, so the annual rent is spread over 52 weeks instead of 49".

"And when are you going to tell people about this?" I enquired.

"New cases start immediately, old cases start next April, letters will be sent out".

"How much do you want me to set up the Standing Order for then?"

"Hmmmm you were paying £36 per week, you must now pay £91 per week"

:o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on August 12, 2016, 22:13:38 pm
Bring on the bloody revolution.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on August 13, 2016, 14:32:31 pm
You couldn't make it up  >:(
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on August 13, 2016, 16:50:08 pm
Although this was written back in April, I think the evidence proves the point and may even be worse, now.

http://evolvepolitics.com/its-sad-but-as-a-disabled-person-i-know-the-tories-would-much-prefer-us-dead
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on August 13, 2016, 17:37:42 pm
Both Labour and the Tories pledged to "help the Carers". So why does receiving Carers Allowance reduce Housing Benefit and Community Charge Benefit? And why were their pledges to "help disabled people buy their own homes"? And why are both Disabled Living Allowance and Carers Allowance frozen?

And from what I have read, changing to Universal Credit reduces the total benefits received "to help people into work" notwithstanding that you are a full-time Carer or have disabilities that either prevent work or make employers shy away with no calls of "discrimination".
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on August 13, 2016, 18:03:45 pm
They're in it for themselves, rather than to represent those who elected them.

People wonder why there's such goings-on in the Labour party. It's the beginning of a revolt, against that. 'course, it won't happen on the blue side, because all of those want the press and big business to grease their palms, so that they can all prosper.

The rest of us simply don't matter. If they could kill us off, they would. What they're doing is the nearest they can get, to that. They've painted the disabled as scroungers, who bleed "normal" people dry, deliberately and Brexit is only helping them to turn society against those scroungers, in the hope that the great unwashed'll kill them off, saving them the job.

'course, when that's done, they don't realise that they'll be next.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on August 14, 2017, 14:31:38 pm
Now that my son has won his case for Personal Independence Payments, the missus should be getting Carers Allowance.

She reclaimed online on 17th July. No sign of it yet so I just called them. After 26 minutes on hold:

"We are presently dealing with a backlog for Carers Allowance for both DLA and PIP, renewals and new cases. Estimates are for cases to be dealt within 8 to 10 weeks, but this could change due to leave and sickness".

:grumpy:
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on August 14, 2017, 15:20:49 pm
It was the getting through to any of them that used to annoy me. That constant bloody long winded drivel beforehand telling you to go online or wait for an adviser.  Then the music with " your call is important to us....you can call at our less busy times or go online" then music....Thank you for waiting . Your call is important to us.....
An hour later and you are ready to rip the head off the person who finally answers you  8) Only to be told to call back .
It's disgraceful what they are putting people through. Pip was already in practice when Chris became disabled but I wish the old system was available. He is not going to improve anymore. He will deteriorate.  But we will go through this every 3 or 4 years for pip and every year for esa. What a waste of resources this is.
Sister in law has cancer and is frightened to ne in hospital much longer cos the @#$$@@ing swines will take husbands car and care allowance from them. A disabled person is only allowed to be in hospital for so long before payments are removed.
OK I get that funds cannot go to people in care homes and your carer is not caring for you there.
But cancer? Inoperable cancer ? Where she is in and out of christys? 
The heartless bbbbbs  :-X
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on August 20, 2017, 20:22:52 pm
Don't forget... you pay for those calls, too.

Bastards.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on December 01, 2017, 21:16:54 pm
Pissin Universal Credit :-X
Just had eldest up in bits. Seems she did not go to an appointment that she knew nothing about. This supposed appointment was in October and as she did not attend...They are sanctioning her 12.50 per day since then. She has pleaded with them that she did not know of this appointment but they will not have it. Said they sent it by post and she failed to attend. How can you prove that you did not receive something. 
How in the name of humanity can a government knowingly leave you with zero money to live on?  Seems she can apply for a hardship loan off them to be paid back to them. How can they roll out this flawed system to the rest of the country? All this will promote is loan sharks , food banks and sheer poverty. Do they not realise that if you give people zero money and they have no savings at all, that you are forcing them to have no heat or light in winter? That there is a possibility of that person being evicted? 
Nasty, evil set of heartless arsewipes
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on December 02, 2017, 12:18:58 pm
The UC system is atrocious, especially the way they can cut you off at a whim. 2 mates have suffered sanctions that left them unable to pay rent, power or food after internal systems failed to accept that they had attended for job searches. It took the word of a security guard to prove they had attended, but they still had to wait for the money to reappear.

"It helps people back into work" is what the cons say every single time, but only in a minority of cases in some areas.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on December 03, 2017, 19:40:16 pm
It's a shower of shit el.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on December 03, 2017, 22:48:56 pm
Seems a bit of a money spinner to me. Say your flawed system is set to send an appointment out to someone but it doesn't.  You can then sanction that person a whole month later and charge them 12.50 a day for the month. Therefore you don't have to pay them any income for the month. Then, you can offer them a hardship loan of their money  and the person pays it back to you.
Hell fire, you make them borrow their payment off you and then make them pay their benefit back  :-X
You can do that thousands of times and save a shed load of money to pay in bonuses to the shit who thought up this legal scam.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 04, 2017, 11:34:44 am
A report has just said that a fifth of British people are living in poverty...

Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on December 04, 2017, 12:17:56 pm
QuoteIf you are found to have limited capability for work and work-related activity you'll get an extra amount each month added to your Universal Credit payment.

If you made your claim on the grounds of having a health condition or disability on or after 3 April 2017 and are found to have limited capability for work, you won't get an extra amount of Universal Credit.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-if-you-have-a-disability-or-health-condition-quick-guide/universal-credit-if-you-have-a-disability-or-health-condition

QuoteWill I get less money if I move from ESA to Universal Credit?

The rates paid for the limited capability for work elements are lower than the current ESA rates.


https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/universal-credit-for-disabled-people

Quote....medically retired as a roadsweeper in 2011 and before universal credit came in he was getting by on a patchwork of disability benefits. The titles - employment and support allowance (ESA), enhanced disability premium (EDP), and severe disability premium (SDP).

...by moving house meant he was transferred onto universal credit early. What he discovered was a reality that scores of disabled people across the UK will soon be facing: neither EDP nor SDP exist under universal credit.

Do the sums and changing to universal credit means Philip is losing £40 a week. That's a cut of more than £2,000 a year.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/31/universal-credit-pushing-disabled-people-into-poverty


And just a snifter of how complicated UC is.....  https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/universal-credit-uc
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on December 04, 2017, 13:13:30 pm
I am glad I am 61 and have no intention of living in a nursing home or hospital. Once upon a time, I looked forward to retirement. Not anymore old age now means scrimping and scraping. Choosing when to heat your house. That is if you are well ; when you are sick or disabled, you need that heating on, you need warm food. You can't choose to live in the cold, you need to be warm.  I fear for my children and grandchildren,  also my great grandson.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 04, 2017, 21:05:43 pm
Vote for Jeremy!

'course, what the lying bastards on the "Vote leave" campaign neglected to tell us, was that the £350 million for the NHS was total bollox.

We'll be paying BILLIONS to leave.

They forgot to tell us that, too. Although, quite a few of us did the sums and saw it coming. Pity nobody listened and just listened to twats like Farage, Johnson, Cameron and Osborne...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Mike on December 04, 2017, 21:47:42 pm
And Corbyn voted and told Labour to vote to leave in the debate
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 05, 2017, 12:50:13 pm
Quote from: Mike on December 04, 2017, 21:47:42 pm
And Corbyn voted and told Labour to vote to leave in the debate


(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/wrong.gif)

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/10/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-would-vote-remain-another-eu-referendum

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/12/jeremy-corbyn-says-would-vote-remain-second-eu-referendum

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-remain-vote-second-referendum-eu-negotiations-theresa-may-a7996996.html

Corbyn campaigned heavily to remain, too. You wouldn't know it, because the media largely wanted out, so barely covered that.

Problem was, Cameron and Osborne both wanted out, too, so they deliberately screwed the Remain campaign.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on December 05, 2017, 18:52:44 pm
I didnt listen to any twat and did my own research. If I could vote again. I'd still vote the same way. 😊
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on December 05, 2017, 20:24:12 pm
I'm not sure anymore. I got swayed with money for the NHS. Also where I live has more refugees brought in than most towns and my town has suffered for it. I wanted no more.
I honestly believe they are all bent as nine bob notes. I think very few have any empathy as to how those at the bottom of the ladder live. And if they do have a concience? They have it drummed out of them by the puppet masters. I believe the NHS (best in the world free care) is being eroded and will eventually go.
We must be the laughing stock of the world with Brexit. ....
"Here is a referendum. ...vote remain or leave"
" What? You voted leave? But we don't have a plan for that! We don't know what to do! Well have to discuss it for years"

Bleeding hell. Tell the truth. That's all. If we leave, it will cost us this but we will gain this ....If we stay , nothing changes.
Personally, if they have another vote I won't bother. It will make no difference.  Another vote going remain will cause uproar to the leavers. Will we keep wasting an enormous amount of money till they get the result they wanted in the first place.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 05, 2017, 21:48:17 pm
Quote from: El on December 05, 2017, 20:24:12 pmBleeding hell. Tell the truth.


Those that campaigned for leave knew the score. They knew that they could make a few bob out of it, even if the rest of us suffered, even to the point of dying, which people are, already.

Spend money on HS2? Of course! We can make money out of that, by franchising it out to some foreign company that we have shares in! Put money in the NHS? As it is, now, of course not! Where's the profit in that? Privatise it and we can make a mint! 'course, that'll kill off a lot of our citizens, but who cares about them? Especially the disabled and the old.There are far too many of them, as it is, sponging of us rich arsewipes! Kill those off and we'll be left with the young and the fit, who we can put on zero-hours contracts and make them beg us to work, for us, for a pittance!

The biggest sponger, from where I see it, is Farage. What does he do for his money? Apart from writing inflammatory articles and making speeches for the Nazis, that is.

'course, he'll be OK. The hypocritical bastard's going to take his MEP salary and the pension, too, when we leave. £75K will just allow him to struggle through, I expect.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 07, 2017, 16:18:26 pm
Quote from: Lisa on December 05, 2017, 18:52:44 pm
I didnt listen to any twat and did my own research. If I could vote again. I'd still vote the same way. 😊


Well, let's not go into that, again, ay? :)

But, it has to be said, the way things are going, we're REALLY going to suffer, because of this. In fact, many already are.

The idiot Tories never made any true assessments of how it would really affect us.

They still haven't, either, as Davis had admitted.

They make Trump look sensible, that lot.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on December 08, 2017, 11:57:15 am
Total whitewash coming soon....  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2017/december/mps-question-dwp-medical-assessors-about-quality-their-medical-assessments
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 08, 2017, 12:02:42 pm
It's all about money and power. They want it and they want us to have as little as possible.

It's the right-wing way.  :-\
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Lisa on December 08, 2017, 17:30:24 pm
Tories are twats with or without brexit.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on December 08, 2017, 18:03:49 pm
Can't disagree, with that, either! :)
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on December 11, 2017, 13:43:21 pm
Daughter walked 4 mile in snow this morning for a meeting about getting a hardship loan. She has to go back tomorrow morning with proof that she has nothing. They may help her with a food bank. They are sanctioning her 700 pounds. She will not go hungry for as long as I have food in the cupboard. 
Oh and she is looking at rehoming her cats. She cannot afford to feed them.
I hope Universal credits rot in hell. I hope these evil swines are brought to their knees and thrown out of office. For those who think it is a good thing......I hope they are sanctioned and feel the pain.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on December 11, 2017, 14:37:35 pm
My mate's sister got sanctioned for "failure to attend". Proof of a hospital appointment did not change their minds.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 13, 2018, 21:32:59 pm
Middle bro got moved from DLA to PIP at the same level without even a letter to him. He only found out when the code on the bank transfer changed.

That's 1 point for good work.....
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on June 19, 2018, 22:04:33 pm
Mine's gonna stop and they've sent me a PPI form with more pages than the encyclopaedia galactica...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 20, 2018, 11:30:59 am
Best of luck, be prepared to take it all the way to Tribunal.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on June 20, 2018, 15:55:53 pm
Again...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 20, 2018, 19:27:39 pm
They recently announced that people with lifelong conditions that can only get worse will only get a "light touch" assessment every 10 years (check bank details, etc.). But how long will this take to get in place?

They still have a huge backlog of mental health cases where they have to give extra points, and possibly extra money.

Tribunals are kicking out more and more 10 year periods to claimants, but the DWP have been using all sorts of tactics to get around these decisions, including watching for things on social media which could prove you have improved, or were in fact lying about conditions.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on June 20, 2018, 21:16:52 pm
That's news to us. Chris is lifelong and will definitely get worse. His pip is for four years. 
It is a minefield.
Brother in law was carer for his sick wife for ten years. She died just before Christmas last year. He has stents for a bad heart and is in a bad place emotionally as his wife suffered horribly with cancer. He has just passed his back to work assesment and must look for a job.
My nephews wife suffers from epilepsy. She has major seizures that prevent her from functioning when they happen. Seems she was on lifelong disability and her husband was her carer. So she had to go to Manchester for an assessment and told them that she went on the train. That she had washed and dressed herself and planned the journey with no problems.  That this day was a good day......She was denied pip and he was no longer her carer. Just like that. She appealled but no joy. Simply because the points system makes it very difficult for anyone to score high.


Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 21, 2018, 10:56:11 am
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-end-unnecessary-pip-reviews-for-people-with-most-severe-health-conditions

But as with PIP "targetting those most in need" it depends on what they consider "severe health conditions".
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 07, 2019, 12:23:34 pm
7th May 2019 (dated 30 April 2019) Pol's Mandatory Reconsideration response for PIP received, still zero on all counts.

Time to request a tribunal.  :grumpy:
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on May 08, 2019, 20:17:18 pm
Same here, Taf. The appeal's been applied for and might get sorted in a year's time...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 09, 2019, 10:35:03 am
The waiting list is "around 18 months" here. :grumpy:
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on May 09, 2019, 11:08:34 am
Oh, that was if the wind's blowing in the right direction. They don't give a shit.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 09, 2019, 11:39:46 am
And another thing, if Pol wins (fingers crossed) she gets all the payments backdated. But Carers Allowance is limited to 3 months. But things are happening to stop that bit of crap....
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 09, 2019, 20:05:12 pm
No other words than despicable.  Delays upon delays not to mention the stress of it all.
We still have not been told that he should only do a ten year review. His is due for renewal in April 2020. We are told that we rould start the renewal the year before. We are told that they are very busy moving people on to these rewards.
Then, that you have to apply for attendance allowance when you are 64. He is 64 at the end of this year. FGS! Then, if you do not have pip for a year that you cannot renew (pensioners ).
Nightmare.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 09, 2019, 21:36:36 pm
https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/57631/pip-10-year-light-touch
I just
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 10, 2019, 10:27:40 am
The "light touch" reviews have been happening, but in very restricted cases. Claimants who have had strokes are being classed as "recovering" in many cases so a future review is probable. And the one-shot ESA /PIP assessments are being planned "to save public money". Also remote assessments and tribunals by internet.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 11, 2019, 14:38:34 pm
The dreaded letter arrived or so I thought.
Inside was a letter saying they had looked at his previous needs from his first assessment, letters from hospital and dr and given him an ongoing award. They will contact us in May 2029.
Relieved is putting it mildly. He has got enhanced/enhanced. Thank God.
My only niggle is on the points system and some of his scores. 4 out of 8 for washing himself.....he bloody can't.  And 2 out of 12 for eating and preparing a meal. He can't prepare a meal!  He can't get any more money so it doesn't matter. But for some people, those points are precious and would need niggling over.
Anyhow good news for us and I hope that there is good news for you two x
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 11, 2019, 15:22:13 pm
YOOHOO! Sense at last from the dreaded DWP!  ;D

And I know what you mean by the odd points awarded. I know 2 ladies who were marked down for washing, cooking and eating. They had enough other points for enhanced/enhanced, so let it go. At review the DWP knocked points off something else and they were below the points needed. They took it to Tribunal, and were told they should have contested the points given at the first award. But they argued that if they did, the DWP has a habit of dropping ALL the points due to them DARING to contest the award. The Tribunal said that the points should be recorded as maximum for washing, cooking and eating for the first award, and carried over to the review.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 11, 2019, 15:51:41 pm
The only thing I can think of is his OT, brain trainer (not sure of her title) philips and nurses all know that we are pro active him doing activities.  They have watched him make toast with a motorised toaster, make tea with a tassimo and use Alexa.
I'm thinking that their reports have found their way to them. This only happens on a good day and involves me pushing his wheelchair to the table and watching him every step of the way.
But at least it is common sense. We will not need to badger people for reports or save every scrap of medical evidence.  As you know, the longer the illness or disability, the less chance you have of seeing consultants. At least those who have any influence in decisions.
He was always going to actually get pip. He really is that bad. It's no walk in the park in our house for sure. He qualifies in every single way. So why would anyone have him face assesment?  It would be madness. And money wasting.
I told him and he just said "I'll be dead before ten years is up". He really has no clue of the stress of it all. At least this spares him having to prove he is disabled. I hope this is the way forward for lots of cases. It's a much more caring and dignified way of dealing with assesment. 
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 11, 2019, 17:52:41 pm
Has he claimed ESA?
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 11, 2019, 18:36:41 pm
Yes. He's in the support group. We had to claim as he can't get state pension until 66. Have to say that they were brilliant.  I sent them all his information when he came out of hospital and then they asked a year later if he had improved. He stays on contribution based until he retires at pension age.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 11, 2019, 19:05:39 pm
Let's hope that the rumoured ESA/PIP assessments don't go ahead. Quite a few people have been dragged out of the Support Group, especially if they claim UC (which has slightly different criteria of course, the twots).
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 11, 2019, 20:35:32 pm
We were very lucky in the sense that he worked from 15 - 59 so had full contributions. Also that we had a bit of savings so did not claim income based income support. I think that might have took us into UC. I hate that. It's been in our town for a good few years and is ruining people's lives. Mistakes with housing benefit  are putting people literally on the streets. Again, we are lucky that the house is very nearly ours.
I fear for my kids and grandchildren.  It's such an uncaring society.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 11, 2019, 21:18:21 pm
Quote from: El on May 11, 2019, 20:35:32 pm
It's such an uncaring society.


An uncaring government... both flavours.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 31, 2019, 13:28:28 pm
I've just got a letter from the DWP.

Our daughter's Tribunal has been cancelled.

From ZERO points on all descriptors, she has now been raised to 13 for care, and 12 for mobility.

Ongoing as her condition will not change.

So that's ENHANCED on both parts, backdated to when her DLA was stopped.

But then I read it vey carefully, and they have awarded her extra points for being unable to make journeys to FAMILIAR places, but we only said that she had great difficulties with UNFAMILIAR journeys.

I feel I should let them know this, as it's either a typo or excessive points have been awarded.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: El on May 31, 2019, 14:08:05 pm
Yay 😀
Not sure I would challenge though. I was miffed that they said Chris could make meals and wash himself even though he has enhanced/enhanced anyway due to brain injury no left side,epilepsy, no mobility and incontinent . I spoke to his nurses and they said not to be bothered as although he can't now, there is always room for improvement and I will not need to inform them if he does ever make a meal. Technically he can make a sandwich if I push him to the table and he uses his helper board that hold the bread in place so maybe that is a meal?
I suppose you could ask where they got that information from? This way though if she does start to have difficulty with familiar places then you wouldn't have to go through the added nightmare of assessment? 
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 31, 2019, 14:17:14 pm
I'm more worried about it being a trap. All would take is one person to say they saw her travelling alone without a satnav running, and we'd be open to charges of fraud.

I've just reread all the forms we put in, and we never claimed for Familiar Journeys.

I've been on hold to them for 18 minutes already, thank gawd for 0800 numbers...
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on May 31, 2019, 17:31:43 pm
You could always argue that you didn't notice and, after all, it's their fukkup. Plus, of course, there're good days and bad days. Some days, she might be able to do such things, but on others (most) seh can't. Still not even had a date, for mine.

Ho-hum. Good to read some good news, re DWP, for a change, though.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 31, 2019, 17:44:17 pm
Quote from: K@ on May 31, 2019, 17:31:43 pm
Good to read some good news, re DWP, for a change, though.


Quite a few first decisions and mandatory reconsiderations are being overturned by DWP themselves once a claim for Tribunal hits them.

32 minutes to get through to the Carers Unit. "You have to reclaim online" I was told. It took 5 attempts to do so as their site kept on crashing.

After 52 minutes trying to get through to PIP, I gave up as the music was driving me batty. I'll try again next week.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on May 31, 2019, 20:07:15 pm
I wonder how netless people are supposed to claim. Shit, when the net dies, this country's fkd.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on May 31, 2019, 20:27:06 pm
Try doing anything with Universal Credit. All the people I know on it HAVE to do it all online. And they are all very untechie....
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on May 31, 2019, 21:28:27 pm
Might be good to play dumb, if I have to contact them, again. Tell them I can't afford such luxuries, on fuck all.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 06, 2019, 15:59:24 pm
I've sent off a letter saying that were are "concerned" at the decision to give Pol enhanced mobility payments.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on June 08, 2019, 20:24:38 pm
Really? Why's that, Tâf?
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on June 08, 2019, 20:37:08 pm
Quote from: K@ on June 08, 2019, 20:24:38 pm
Really? Why's that, Tâf?


They awarded Enhanced Mobility stating that she can't do FAMILIAR journeys without a person, dog or an aid. She can, unless things go tits-up like buses changing about, or routes blocked by demos, etc. But those things don't happen on "the majority of days", so she should not qualify.

The award did not carry the name of the person awarding it, so that in itself is illegal. And DWP dirty tricks department have been awarding higher levels, then dragging people into court when they are "seen, photographed or videoed" by "agents" (or informers) doing things the award said they could not do.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: K@ on June 08, 2019, 20:46:29 pm
Good shout, then.
Title: Re: DWP et al
Post by: Tâf on November 19, 2019, 13:19:58 pm
42 minutes or the DWP to answer their %^&%^!!! phone!  >:(